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Tuesday, June 06, 2006

Response To Senator Brownback

“The institution of marriage has been weakened in this country,” said Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan.

He said the attempt to redefine it as something other than one man and one woman “is harmful to the future of the republic.”

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Republicans argued that the state of marriage and the American family was exactly the sort of fundamental issue that Congress should take up. "It is not bigotry to define marriage as a union of a man and a woman," said Senator Sam Brownback, Republican of Kansas.
-- Brownback: Gay marriage ban "imperative," "not bigotry"

So, if I said something like "white people getting married to black people would be harmful to the future of the republic" ... that would not be considered bigotry? Or if I claimed that a Christian woman married out of her faith ... that could destroy Western civilization .... that would not be considered bigotry?

Or if I said that religious zealots are destroying personal freedom in this country? Oh wait, that one's true.

I'm tired of polictians acting like they can arbitrarily segregrate the country along their moralistic lines and pretend like they are not bigots.

Of course, this is the same political party which recently took a pro-cancer stance ... so nothing surprises me anymore.

6 comments:

jvm said...

You said: "pretend like they are bigots."

Missing "not" there?

Anyway, I just got called a "moonbat" with "BDS" on my blog for mentioning Abramoff. Hope you can get some of that fun stuff too. ;^)

Josh said...

Yes, thanks.

Been having odd issues with reading/writing things like that lately. Must be a change in the coffee.

Jason "Botswana" Cox said...

I'm not for gay marriage and I don't see it as a "right". Most Americans agree with me. Most Americans are not for gay marriage. Totally unsurprising, it's not something the news is widely reporting.

That said, I am really struggling with this idea of a federally mandated gay marriage ban. I wrote on this very thing just a few days ago - http://www.unfetteredblather.com/?p=190.

In a nutshell, I don't see how this is the Federal Government's problem. I think this is a state issue and I think they need to be left alone as to how they decide. Gay marriage was legalized in Mass. (No I am not going to attempt to spell it). Whoopee, big frickin' doo. As a state they had the right to do so. Ohio banned gay marriage. Again, big deal. So long as the Federal Government is not getting any more involved in our private lives, I'm a happy camper. Quite frankly, I bristle a little at the thought of even the state government doing so as well, but so long as it doesn't violate the individual state's constitution then there isn't much I can do about it.

As for "weakening the institution of marriage" I am dismayed that the marriage institution in this country is in crisis. We have a horrendous divorce rate. Worse, even in Christian Churches the divorce rate is just as high as it is in secular society. Although I am failing to make the connection between gay marriage and the horrible state of the marriage institution in the US.

Of course, the real issue is that this is just a distraction from the real issues. The War on Terror, Immigration, and Congressional Credibility (You heard the one about the Democrat taking bribes and the Republicans denouncing the warrant? Oh yes, I'm sure they are looking after the interests of ordinary Americans now!) Seems like a fine time to trot out this tired issue. Since the Democrats aren't looking too good, it provides not only a distraction for the Republicans but them as well. Both sides are busy appealling to their base on this "important" issue while much bigger fish go unfried. Well played you D.C. Rat Bastards, well played.

Josh said...

I think you're loosely defining "most" as just barely over half, as in a recent Gallup poll:

"However, data collected from a May 8-11 survey of 1,002 randomly selected adults aged 18 and above shows that 51 percent of Americans still say homosexuality is morally wrong and only 39 percent believe gay marriage should be legalized."

http://www.christianpost.com/article/society/2571/section/most.americans.support.gay.rights.oppose.gay.marriage/1.htm

Those are pretty tight margins for the federal government to suddenly make a constitutional amendment from. And that's not 51% who feel it should be illegal ... only that's it's immoral. So it's not like gay marriage is some kind of American Abomination.

By the same stats, I could say "almost half of Americans feel it should be legal".

And remember ... they aren't just saying it will destroy Marriage ... they're saying it will decay the entire nation. That this is imperative for the future of The Republic.

Sorry, that's gay-bashing no matter how you paint it. If someone doesn't like gay marriage or homosexuality in general, that's still not carte blanc to make them the national kicking post.

Combine that with the fact that this nation has so many other debates in line of this one, and it makes for it politics based in pretty low stuff.

Jason "Botswana" Cox said...

There is a difference between "most" and "almost half" though. One is a majority, the other is not.

Still, according to the poll I saw at ABC news (not sure if it was Gallup or their own in-house, I didn't check) a majority also think it should be a state issue.

I also think I need to reiterate that I am against a federal gay marriage ban. So I am not supporting this measure at all, not that it matters since it will likely not pass.

I was shocked when I went to check the stats to see that 45 states have made moves against gay marriage with only 9 in appeal.

I was trying to dodge the issue, but the truth is that I think government in general is already too intrusive about the bedroom. 45 States seem to disagree with me.

Josh said...

"I was trying to dodge the issue, but the truth is that I think government in general is already too intrusive about the bedroom. 45 States seem to disagree with me"

Agreed.

And to explain - I have some friends in Chicago for which this is a personal and painful issue. So when I see a Congressmen state publically that their desire would be the undoing of our nation, it angers me something righteous.

To some people, this is about the fear that their church will be invaded by people they'll probably never meet in their life.

To others, this is about their intimate lives and one that effects how they live everyday.

My concept of morality doesn't entail the former ruling over the latter.