tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post113830322491915594..comments2024-02-19T19:53:01.688-08:00Comments on Cathode Tan: Lost: OMG Charlie WTF!Joshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04260309971152360156noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1138407646525627212006-01-27T16:20:00.000-08:002006-01-27T16:20:00.000-08:00Threshold was a similar recent case.Yeah, I don't ...<I>Threshold was a similar recent case.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, I don't quite remember the precise moment when The Girl and I looked at each other and just sighed ... but after that we simply stopped watching Threshold.<BR/><BR/><I>Bear in mind that Purgatory might have an up door and a down door. :)</I><BR/><BR/>Sure, but I guess I don't see where Shannon fits either way. She was still definately in limbo. So if it's purgatory, it's being rather capricious.<BR/><BR/><I>The horse is by no means the only phenomenon - there's the polar bear from the comic, too.</I><BR/><BR/>Right, and Jack's dad and as I wondered in the post, maybe even the Nigerian plane. It's getting harder to determine what <I>isn't</I> phenomena at this point.<BR/><BR/><I>I regard as a get-out-of-jail-free, it-was-just-a-dream way for a writer to get themselves out of a deep hole - and as such I call shenanigans. I'd be sad if that was their eventual explanation.</I><BR/><BR/>Depends on the build-up, I suppose. Can they produce enough "evidence" to properly suspend disbelief, facts that fit with what they've shown before?<BR/><BR/>Or will there just be a little man behind a curtain, pulling a lot of levers and cackling as polar bears appear in front of people...<BR/><BR/>I mean, some of these things ... like polar bears and planes ... could be fabricated. Once you've taken the mind reading leap, it could be as simple as a great stageshow...<BR/><BR/>...except for Jack's dad. That's pretty hard to re-create without Jack being somewhat responsible, I'd think. <BR/><BR/>The other odd one is Sawyer's boar. Something which didn't take the "appearance" of something he knew, but still seemed like something he knew.<BR/><BR/>I gotta say though, that if they move too much into a religious explanation ... well, that seems like just as much of a copout. Depending on how much mythology they adhered to, I suppose, but it could easily just anything as just "God did it".<BR/><BR/><I>More likely is that they'll plow the show into the ground long before they give any real explanations out and so it'll stay a mystery</I><BR/><BR/>With it's ratings, we'll at least get the three seasons they had supposedly mapped out.<BR/><BR/>If we get into Season Four, and stuff just isn't getting answered, I'll probably stop watching at that point. <BR/><BR/>On a side note, I'm beginning to be reminded of Philip Jose Farmer's The Dungeon.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260309971152360156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1138405200865403772006-01-27T15:40:00.000-08:002006-01-27T15:40:00.000-08:00I know what you mean about John Doe. Started out ...I know what you mean about John Doe. Started out looking potentially promising and then rapidly disintegrated - you could almost see the writer behind the scenery scrumpling up his script and then fishing it out the wastebasket. Threshold was a similar recent case.<BR/><BR/>Oh, thinking about it, I don't think that the Boone/Shannon thing swings it one way or the other. Bear in mind that Purgatory might have an up door and a down door. :)<BR/><BR/>The horse is by no means the only phenomenon - there's the polar bear from the comic, too. The whole thing is full of this stuff. Note that lots of it happens _before_ they get to the island, too.<BR/><BR/>60's tech? Ah, it's really tech from 2350, retro-stylized by your C. Demon. :P The "supernatural demon" kind of explanation I regard as a get-out-of-jail-free, it-was-just-a-dream way for a writer to get themselves out of a deep hole - and as such I call shenanigans. I'd be sad if that was their eventual explanation.<BR/><BR/>More likely is that they'll plow the show into the ground long before they give any real explanations out and so it'll stay a mystery. Always keep 'em wanting more, and all that.Clamatiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388689495044350488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1138402453070807452006-01-27T14:54:00.000-08:002006-01-27T14:54:00.000-08:00Supposedly JJ has "learned" from Alias, and so som...Supposedly JJ has "learned" from Alias, and so some of those things won't be repeated. They were rumored to have about three seasons outline when the pilot aired.<BR/><BR/>But you know, I think someone said that about John Doe ... and I swear that show was written by a drunk in a bar an hour before the film rolled.<BR/><BR/>They're definately walking a line. Supposedly, they're going for the "explainable" once all the "facts" are out. But I'm not sure how much that can be true.<BR/><BR/>I mean. We have a horse. Appearing in a jungle. Because it appeared in someone's memory. That you can touch.<BR/><BR/>It's like they're using God's Xerox machine or something. There might be a more Cartesian Demon approach going on ... where not everything on the island is as real as it seems, but it's indiguistable to the inhabitants regardless.<BR/><BR/>Not that such a thing is terribly technical possible either. Especially not with 60's technology and that music collection.<BR/><BR/>Still, I do get a sense of cohesion that I don't normally get with this kind of show (John Doe), so I'm willing to stick it out and try to put the clues together.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260309971152360156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1138401762906535172006-01-27T14:42:00.000-08:002006-01-27T14:42:00.000-08:00It's the supernatural stuff that makes most conven...It's the supernatural stuff that makes most conventional "real-world" theories go straight in the trashcan for me. The numbers. The smoke monster. Visions of the dead. And so on.<BR/><BR/>There's also some incredibly unbelievable happenings (surviving the plane crash, for starters) and coincidences (Virgin statues). Those can fit with a real-world theory but it isn't a good enough fit imho.<BR/><BR/>Another theory is that they're just making it up as they go along and there _is no_ GULT - I'm pretty sure that one of the Alias writers said that in the past about writing for Alias - and I know they have a bunch of the same people on their writing staff.Clamatiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388689495044350488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1138399196132596252006-01-27T13:59:00.000-08:002006-01-27T13:59:00.000-08:00GULT, like it. Nah, nothing edging into unified y...GULT, like it. Nah, nothing edging into unified yet. I had a long conversation with someone last night who was also stuck on the purgatory notion, despite the producer/writer rebuff on the idea.<BR/><BR/>My problem with the notion of purgator is that both Shannon and Boone died and yet were fairly opposite. Boone had made a decent peace with his past while Shannon seemed still in a lot of conflict.<BR/><BR/>I kinda go with the that it's a utopian expirement gone horribly wrong. The Skinner references would support this, and it fits into some of the "good/bad" dichtomoy as well. Still, there is a huge swath of unknowns to bubble underneath that ... like what the evil smoke really is, how people vanish in thin air, how such grand coincidences get pulled off, etc...<BR/><BR/>I do think Zeke's group is not what we've been lead to believe. I think there is something more hidden and more malevolent about the island, and I think Zeke's group is almost as much at conflict with it as Jack's. Mostly that's a hunch, but there seems to be a distinction between modus operandi ... and Zeke did say they were having a misunderstanding.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260309971152360156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1138396948897851702006-01-27T13:22:00.000-08:002006-01-27T13:22:00.000-08:00I know what you mean - it was reminiscent of one o...I know what you mean - it was reminiscent of one of the "filler" episodes from old X-Files where nothing really significant happens. Here all the drama was created by Charlie rather than the island & associated mysteries.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure I really buy his behaviour where he sets the fire and runs off with the kid, either - it just seems too weird a thing to do.<BR/><BR/>I still don't have a theory that makes sense for all the weird things happening. The only one that I did was that they were all lost souls in Purgatory, atoning for whatever they'd screwed up before the crash - but then I read an interview with one of the writers who said the characters aren't dead.<BR/><BR/>Maybe that writer was lying to screw with us. Who knows?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, if you've got a Grand Unified Lost Theory (GULT?) let's hear it. :)Clamatiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388689495044350488noreply@blogger.com