tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post111765923563157917..comments2024-02-19T19:53:01.688-08:00Comments on Cathode Tan: Try Again, MatthewJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04260309971152360156noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1117766546733455842005-06-02T19:42:00.000-07:002005-06-02T19:42:00.000-07:00Ya know, it seems like 90% of web content these da...Ya know, it seems like 90% of web content these days is people reviewing random things in a snarky way. It's getting boring. Now you guys are fighting about a review of a blog post that simply listed other blog posts? Now THAT'S ENTERTAIMENT! <BR/><BR/>Keep it up!Slybrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540428455654678854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1117738788830402852005-06-02T11:59:00.000-07:002005-06-02T11:59:00.000-07:00I think my perspective is pretty clear and simple,...I think my perspective is pretty clear and simple, Matthew. You were too lazy to read up on the Carnival, too lazy to read the whole thing and hell - you even blame the bloggers for that. <BR/><BR/>In short, you were too lazy to do your job. If you were going to write a piece about the Carnival, the least a professional would have done is bothered to have read it. If you can't be bothered to do that, why should I think you'd perform any other job any differently? Why should I think that this sloppy example isn't indicative of how you work?<BR/><BR/>You want to be treated like a professional? Write like one. Act like one.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260309971152360156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1117735792581101752005-06-02T11:09:00.000-07:002005-06-02T11:09:00.000-07:00I'm with Matthew. You carnies badly need a realit...I'm with Matthew. You carnies badly need a reality check. I think the Carnival idea is decent, but your execution is poor. Worst of all, your refusal to accept criticism is downright embarassing. Is this what game bloggers are all about? Get out of your carnival and explore the world -- I guarantee its borders extend further than Kotaku.Tony Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01743329636957301950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1117731840179326252005-06-02T10:04:00.000-07:002005-06-02T10:04:00.000-07:00Carnivals need to have ringmasters, but this one s...<B>Carnivals need to have ringmasters, but this one started with the clowns.</B><BR/><BR/>Actually, circuses have ringmasters. A Carnival is "a traveling show; having sideshows and rides and games of skill etc." All I did was dole out the lots at the fairgrounds (my site) to the carnies (bloggers). They took over from there.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312246964741871032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1117727992386724192005-06-02T08:59:00.000-07:002005-06-02T08:59:00.000-07:00Well it's good to know that in your professional c...Well it's good to know that in your professional capacity that if a game has a really poorly done intro or first mission, that game must totally suck and there's no reason to keep playing it.<BR/><BR/>Wait, I'm sorry, how does that not make you a hack? I thought game reviewers tried to play as much of the game as possible, even if it was painful, so that they could review the whole experience.<BR/><BR/>Guess you're right. Don't understand the industry at all.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260309971152360156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1117725466833061832005-06-02T08:17:00.000-07:002005-06-02T08:17:00.000-07:00The Carnival only came to my attention because it ...<I>The Carnival only came to my attention because it was linked as something worth reading on multiple sites that I read. Blame them, blame Tony for not being choosy enough, or blame whoever you want, but don't blame me for not liking the carnival in its inagural incarnation.</I><BR/><BR/>Take some responsibility for god's sake.<BR/><BR/>You didn't fully read the Carnival post. You didn't try to investigate what it was about. You didn't take ten minutes to actually know what the hell you were writing about. You just went off an condemned it because someone's blog gave reviewers a harsh typing.<BR/><BR/>We are blaming you for not taking the time to read up on what you decided to write about. If not you, who should we?<BR/><BR/>If that's the standard CGOnline holds, the only thing that makes you a professional is that someone is unfortunate enough to sign a paycheck.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260309971152360156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1117725034355235152005-06-02T08:10:00.000-07:002005-06-02T08:10:00.000-07:00Yes, I do think that someone who takes an interest...Yes, I do think that someone who takes an interest in a title, goes to a store and pays with their own money and then writes a review is probably going to be able to match a consumer's objectivity than someone who has access to the publisher's PR, gets free copies, can call the developers and ask questions, etc.<BR/><BR/>Do I think it marks some big gap between honest reporting and corrupt media? <B>No, and if you had bothered to read my response fully, you would know that</B>. Jesus man, your reading skills seriously kinda suck.<BR/><BR/><BR/>No, I don't think the mainstream media is a bunch of bodysnatchers. I read them more frequently than blogs in general. I have noticed that for some titles, smaller sites and blogs seem to sometimes have more accurate details than the larger sites. And sometimes I get far more insightful analysis from some blogs than I've ever gotten from the MSM. Go find my comparison of Shining Tears review as an example.<BR/><BR/>But if you really think there is no public perception that the closer one gets to the game industry the less focused and objective they get - you're living in a bubble. And while PeterB might have been overgeneralized - there are still some valid points he's making.<BR/><BR/>And you certainly aren't helping the MSM's image by writing what amounts to slightly above a forum rant in response. Now it just also appears that some MSM writers feel that bloggers "aren't industry" and therefore shouldn't comment on it. As winky points out - instead of just commenting/discussing this Tea Leaves like a normal person would, you went half-cocked and wrote a column about it.<BR/><BR/>Well bully for you. Hope you feel like a journalist now.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260309971152360156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1117722161673377372005-06-02T07:22:00.000-07:002005-06-02T07:22:00.000-07:00Matthew, I don't know you from Tea Leaves, but whe...Matthew, I don't know you from Tea Leaves, but when you say you get paid -- wait, how was it... "to look through the news and what other sites are talking about and offer my own view," it quite appears you DID NOT do that in this case. <BR/><BR/>We can prove that with your own words: "The first article they link to ... is an article I've seen several times before.... I didn't bother with any of the other articles".<BR/><BR/>I read your entire article. It appears as though your problem is not with the Carnival of Gamers, but with Tea Leaves. And not so much with Tea Leaves, but with the fact that they complain (in one of their posts) about game reviews in general, of which your works comprise a portion. So rather than taking it out against a free-association grouping of blogs, why don't you just respond on Tea Leaves' blog about how you're unhappy with what they wrote?<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>You said, "To hold up a couple of pieces of evidence that really only show that you don't know anything about anything and claim that poor ethics are standard procedure— well, that's not writing, that's just babbling."<BR/><BR/>This sounds very much like what you just did to the Carnvial of Gamers.Winkyboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03366129149670066064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9611352.post-1117717510084778002005-06-02T06:05:00.000-07:002005-06-02T06:05:00.000-07:00You wouldn't say "Former FBI Agents Debate Ethics"...You wouldn't say "Former FBI Agents Debate Ethics" is a website or a magazine, would you Matthew? No, it's an article. And if you can't see how your sentence, as written, indicates that the Carnival is itself a blog ... go find yourself a better editor. Or any editor. Or just learn how to write clearly on your own. As it is, you don't even mention the actual blog until you're done with the article - which is confusing and inaccurate.<BR/><BR/>As for getting the free copy ... it's not a matter of how much it costs the publisher and nowhere does Tea Leaves indicate that's what their talking about. All they are saying is that by having to invest in the game they review they have a reason to be as objective as any other consumer.<BR/><BR/>Nobody is saying they want free games, they're saying that buying your own games keeps the publisher and the conumer/reviewer distinct. Personally, I don't think it's all that big of a deal either way. When I read Gamespy I realize that they have a different relationship with the publishers than I do and I take that it into account, but I still see Tea Leaves' point.<BR/><BR/>As for getting paid to do news commentary, how delightful that you writeup an analysis about a blog post that you didn't even bother to finish reading. News commentary? Bullshit. You were just pissed some blogger decided to critique the "professional reviewer" and you decided to take it out with a pen. <BR/><BR/>Wow, California and Illinois are about to pass laws which could directly effect gamers and you chose one link from one post on one blog. E3's just finished up and there's more opinion than fact floating out there, but you really felt your reading audience needed this "free copy" issue figured out?<BR/><BR/>Wow, Matt, what insightful analysis. What's next week for you - debating whether a forum post about how the PS3 will rule is accurate?Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260309971152360156noreply@blogger.com